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Matt Campbell[edit]

Please jail this user.Edf55 (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Edf55: If you have a problem with a user's behavior, I suggest (1) bring it to the administrators' noticeboard rather than one specific admin, (2) provide diffs that show their inappropriate behavior, and (3) notify the user so they have a chance to state their side of the matter; if you are really uneasy doing the last, indicate that and ask that an admin notify them. And I'd also suggest that "jail" is a very unlikely outcome. - Jmabel ! talk 23:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry. He declined that Larry Philpot destroyed my work.Edf55 (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again: (1) This is not the administrators' noticeboard. (2) I still don't see a single diff. (3) Your only notification to Matt Campbell seems to have been "Stop. You destroy all!" which communicates almost nothing. - Jmabel ! talk 15:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Circa 1889 Seattle waterfront[edit]

The following images have to be post-Fire because the Rainier Hotel was started right after the fire, built rapidly and opened in November 1889.

Jmabel ! talk 20:54, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I don't mean to be abrasive, but a lot of people find themselves here on accident, when they don't realize they're no longer on their native language project. It's generally a bit more COM:MELLOW to just brush it off as a newbie mistake, and kindly point them to their native language help desk using an inter-wiki link. After all, we wan't more contributors everywhere, because that usually means more contributors on multi-lingual projects too. If I can ever be of any help, please don't hesitate to contact me. Sorry if this comes off as too forward. GMGtalk 00:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @GreenMeansGo: Not at all, but what are you referring to? - Jmabel ! talk 00:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @GreenMeansGo: Just in case that wasn't clear, "not at all" was with reference to you being possibly too abrasive or forward. But I don't know where you think I stompled a newbie. - Jmabel ! talk 03:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's no big deal, but it kindof felt like this could come off as a little overwhelming to a newbie. GMGtalk 10:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @GreenMeansGo: Hmm. It could be, but there were 3 separate issues and I was afraid that if I mentioned only one of them (presumably wrong venue), this person would still have been stung by the other two. - Jmabel ! talk 15:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Septembrie 2019: A început Wiki Loves Monuments în România![edit]

Primiți acest mesaj deoarece ați participat anterior la concursul Wiki Loves Monuments România.

Am fi încântați dacă ați participa și în acest an la documentarea fotografică a patrimoniului nostru cultural construit. Pentru detalii și reguli de participare, puteți găsi mai multe informații pe pagina Wiki Loves Monuments România. Dacă aveți fotografii și din alte țări, puteți verifica aici țările participante.

Mulțumim și nu uitați, concursul se desfășoară până pe 30 septembrie! Mult succes!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 01:14, 10 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


Yours sincerely, Themightyquill (talk) 11:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 15:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia Space[edit]

There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:

  • Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
  • Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.
I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Check out: Commons:Village_pump#Disambiguation. Thanks. Evrik (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC) Do you think anyone would would object to this User talk:Evrik/sandbox, here: hella? Evrik (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Evrik: Well, clearly you are not going to suddenly win over the people who object to disambiguation pages in the main (gallery) space, but it seems potentially useful to me. - Jmabel ! talk 22:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

URL[edit] Salma.boug (talk) 12:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Salma.boug: I'm not sure why you sent me this link. I've never set foot in Morocco in my life. - Jmabel ! talk 16:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Look at the rule number 5,it’ The hashtag I’m talking about Salma.boug (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok thanks Salma.boug (talk) 21:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Chinese New Year[edit]

Hi, I saw that you discussed the topic of "Chinese New Year" on User talk:そらみみ. We traditionally considered January 1 of the lunar calendar as the first day of a year, so it's not like Christmas Day in the western calendar.--Kai3952 (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 20:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I forgot you speak some Spanish[edit]

Mind taking a look at /w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles&dir=prev&offset=20191018194828&user=Sebasti%C3%A1n+Arena these uploads? Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but they look a lot like personal photos. The user is an xwiki contributor, but if there isn't any additional context there, that's a little excessive. GMGtalk 19:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @GreenMeansGo: There is really no captioning on any of them, and for a lot the Spanish-language filenames just mean "scanned document such-and-such" (if that much), so my Spanish is largely irrelevant. They are certainly mostly poorly titled and under-described, at best. If you look at the parent categories of Category:Araujo family it strongly suggests he doesn't get the point of Commons. They're not notably technically good photos, but certainly some are of possible interest as things in Venezuela we don't have a lot of images for: a lot of semi-decent candid pictures of soldiers going about their day-to-day, people receiving diplomas, stuff like that. But then there are useless images like File:Documento escaneadoXXXVII (12250715326).jpg.
And then there's stuff like File:Ferry (16215002865).jpg, File:GEDC0316 (14871491107).jpg (really a nice photo), and the quite good batch in Category:Black and white photographs by Sebastián Arena. Doubtless a lot of these would be useful if they had been decently described.
So I don't know. It would be cool if someone (it won't be me, I have other fish to fry) would mentor him more on describing and categorizing photos, but certainly there is enough here that is decent that anyone who takes this on should be careful not to drive him away. I don't see where we are really hurt by letting the sleeping dog lie. It might be worth nominating some for deletion as unused personal photos or so low-quality as to be useless, but I'd start with a small batch if you go that way, and test the waters [yeah, yeah, mixed metaphor]. - Jmabel ! talk 21:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not really sure I have the cultural competency to evaluate the images individually, or the language competency to mentor the user (or to not come off as BITEY in trying to explain things). Maybe we just bide our time then. GMGtalk 21:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@GreenMeansGo: Repeating my bottom line: I personally would let sleeping dogs lie, but if someone wanted to discourage him from continuing to upload the least useful stuff he uploads, they should pick a handful of unused personal photos (snapshots of non-notable people) or images so low-quality as to be useless. - Jmabel ! talk 23:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for a short translation into Romanian[edit]

Hi, would you be willing to translate the sentence "What's making you happy this week?" into Romanian? See meta:User:Pine/WMYHTW translations. Thank you, ↠Pine () 21:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chinook Jargon[edit]

Hello sorry about that, I did find the Chinook Jargon book. Thanks so much for your work! Sincerely, Irene Bjerky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cataline01xx (talk • contribs) 03:19, 11 December 2019‎ (UTC)Reply[reply]

A kitten for you![edit]

Kitten (06) by Ron.jpg

Thank you for renaming a file to Gangadhar Meher University maingate.

Rocky 734 (talk) 06:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Wow so cute Kiara Karen Katie (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just want to say happy new year, and thanks for all your help at the help desk, especially when I get busy and can't immediately reply to a response from a new user. GMGtalk 00:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I couldn't upload this old historic video from 1919 because of the spam filter[edit]

Hi! I uploaded this old 1919 video to a file sharing service, it is only 300Mbyte, and the spam filter did not allow me to upload it to the commons :( You can download the video from here: Thank you for your help!

The video was shot by Film hiradó on 16 November 1919. English description: Admiral Miklós Horthy enters Budapest at the head of the National Army, 16 November 1919. Categories: Hungarian History, Miklós Horthy, Hungary in the 1910s--CumbererStone (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is a 100 years old video, which was created by 90y long defunct company. The copyright expires within 70years in Hungary. So it is a free stuff. Can you help me to upload it, because this spam filter look very dumb and stubborn. Thank you!

If you can upload the video to the commons, can you write/paste here its url? Thank you again!--CumbererStone (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have no idea why you are replying on my user talk page to something that is being discussed on the help desk. - Jmabel ! talk 20:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Manual review[edit]

Hi, I'm quite new to Commons so apologies if I'm doing the wrong thing here. The picture I uploaded from Flickr was deleted because icon bottom-right of the picture indicated a non-free licence, even though the caption below indicated that it was CC-BY 3.0 licensed. I asked for it to be undeleted, and was told it would need manual review; the admin who deleted said I should ask another admin to do so. The file is at File:Joanna Cherry in Parliament.jpg. Can you help? (Sorry if I'm contacting the wrong person; I just picked an admin basically at random from the list.) YorkshireLad (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'll deal with it, if someone hasn't beaten me to it. Jmabel ! talk 23:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your best shot 2019[edit]

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

It's early 2020, which means it's time again to look back at photographs taken over the course of the past 12 months. As always, I'm curious – what would you consider your best shot of 2019 and why? I invite you to share your image and your thoughts in order to provide others with the opportunity to celebrate, learn, and enjoy:

Your best shot 2019

Thanks for all your effort in sharing your vision of the world with others under a free license!

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A subtle hint[edit]

Re the user asking this, you might want to review this. Cheers! World's Lamest Critic (talk) 05:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @World's Lamest Critic: I don't have checkuser privileges. If you think this looks like a sockpuppet you've seen elsewhere, you can report that, but I'm not sure I see anything special for me to do. The question itself seemed reasonable, and I believe I gave it a reasonable answer. - Jmabel ! talk 05:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okey dokey. World's Lamest Critic (talk)


Did you delete anything (that wasn't in use) from ? It appears this photographer (probably after someone requested this) changed the license of their photos from PDM to CC0. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 18:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Alexis Jazz: Aha! So I probably had not misread when I first checked that.
  • While I cannot swear I've never deleted something uploaded by that Flickr user, I have not done so in the recent past. - Jmabel ! talk 21:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:Chart of military venereal disease cases in Seattle, 1943 (39267129940).jpg[edit]


I moved the file from Category:Health statistics to Category:Epidemiology of sexually transmitted diseases and disorders.

"Epidemiology of sexually transmitted diseases and disorders" is more especific. Almost all files contained within "Epidemiology" are "Health statistics", displayed as diagrams (i.e. this file, "Chart of military venereal...") or maps. That is the reason I also categorized "Epidemiology" within "Health Statistics".

Good bye, --Jmarchn (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jmarchn: I see, way up the hierarchy you put Category:Epidemiology inside Category:Health statistics. That's reasonable for the way it's being used; it was just so far up the hierarchy I didn't find that it was an ancestor category. - Jmabel ! talk 21:08, 10 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Potential copyright violation on the Commons[edit]

Hi Jmabel. Recently I noticed that a user named MiftachulJ has been uploading various pictures of different artists, all of which actually seem to be copyrighted and it is highly unlikely that they have been taken by him. Could you please take a look at his contributions and delete the copyrighted content? Thank you. Keivan.fTalk 00:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oh, I didn't know that I could do that. I'll nominate them myself then. Thanks for the info. Keivan.fTalk 05:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archiving with SpBot only in Help desk[edit]

Hello, you confused me, as well. x_x I got your ping from Special:Diff/403053139/403053317, went to the talk page and, intending to add an answer, started researching. But when I opened the edit form your question has gone
So in short: ArchiverBot had almost a year ago some issues causing it to be stopped on several pages (see for 2019 messages in User talk:ArchiverBot). I knew that SpBot which anyway had been active before could take over the work in almost the same manner and so I did the necessary changes first in COM:VP and later in the Help desk. See more in Commons talk:Village pump#First section header, but especially Commons talk:Village pump#Removing daily headers. — Speravir – 05:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Speravir: sorry about that. I just started answering the newbie question, then assumed (incorrectly) I was on the help page, not the talk page, went on to the next item, said, "hmm, what's this about", etc. Then I got my bearings, but only after pinging you. - Jmabel ! talk 05:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Jmabel, I got myself into a fankle I think.

I wanted to upload a bunch of fine art pictures from jfif files. Apparently (I now find out) all that was required was to change the extension from jfif to jpg, and then upload. Correct?

Just to make it worse, earlier than that, after reading the policy on it, I got the wrong end of the stick and converted the jfif files using GIMP to png files and then onto jpg, and uploaded both. So what now? Should I request their deletion and then re-upload afresh?

I also found out (ignoring for the moment the jfif mistake) that I should have translated them to tiff and then to jpg as opposed to png. Correct?

Anyway grateful for your thoughts... Broichmore (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. I don't know what a JFIF is. This sounds more like a Graphics Lab question.
  2. I imagine the JPGs are more useful than the PNGs, but I don't see a reason to delete. PNGs certainly have their advantages in some contexts. Just connect in the "other versions" area of the template with {{Other}}.
  3. I don't see any real advantage of TIFF over PNG here. TIFF is really just a bag you put formats in. PNGs are lossless, which is presumably the one advantage of those or TIFFs over JPGs.
  4. I don't have time to look into this much further now. I think the item I bolded above is the only action step needed.
Jmabel ! talk 18:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Using rollback to edit another user's comments[edit]

Hi! Could you please provide an explanation for this edit? As you should know, it is considered poor practice to edit comments made by other users, and it is a violation of the rollback policy to use it for cases that are not clear-cut mistakes or vandalism. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Bovlb: My mistake. I missed the "Already blocked on Wikidata" and only say the "<!-- Please fill the template fields and press publish. -->: which looked like accidental copy-paste from somewhere. In fact, even now I don't get that comment, what did it mean in this context if it wasn't an error? - Jmabel ! talk 15:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thanks for the explanation.
When I encounter a cross-wiki vandal, I usually include information about blocks on other projects as part of any vandalism report. (Blocks on other projects do not automatically cause a block here, of course, but the context is informative.) In this case, their Wikidata activity (and block) was sufficiently old that I did not notice it at first and hence had to add it afterwards. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, sorry. But what is the "<!-- Please fill the template fields and press publish. -->? - Jmabel ! talk 15:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is inserted by the "create a report" button on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism. Bovlb (talk) 16:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Will learn this! Appreciate it! Arwin11 (talk) 16:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Guillotine lock gates[edit]

Hi Jmabel, please have a look, thanks and regards.[2] -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Biberbaer: Seems fine to me. I made some minor edits. By the way, the canonical way to do a link to a category is Category:Guillotine lock gates (that is, [[:Category:Guillotine lock gates]]) so it shows up as something readable, not a number in square brackets. - Jmabel ! talk 15:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Jmabel, thank you very much, I did not think of this type of linking. Another question, what is the correct term for de:Klapptor, another type of lock gates? Flat gates? Thanks and Greetings -- Biberbaer (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Biberbaer: I don't know a proper term for it, and I'm not sure I can follow from the German exactly how it works. Pretty sure I've never seen one. Is is always attached at the bottom? If so, and if it is a single piece, I'd probably call it a "bottom-hinged lock gate". If it is hinged at the bottom but is not a single piece, probably a "bottom-hinged folding lock gate". Those are at least clear, and if someone knew a more proper term they could substitute it later.
Thanks for your work on sorting this stuff out. - Jmabel ! talk 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
THX, Yes, a single-wing lock gate with a horizontal axis of rotation attached to the lock chamber floor. It opens down to open the lock. I will continue to sort and maybe we can find a real name. There is a curfew here because of Corona and I have time. There is much to do. Sorry for my simple and foolish english. Greetings -- Biberbaer (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Biberbaer: Viel besser als mein Deutsch (ein Jahr in die Universität seit vierzig-und-etwas Jahre). Wier sind auch unter Virusregimen: Ich bin in Seattle. - Jmabel ! talk 20:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Guten Morgen nach Seattle. Ich lebe in der Nähe von Berlin in einer Kleinstadt de:Werder (Havel). Wir warten auf den Frühling, gestern hat es geschneit. Ich wünsche Dir Gesundheit und Danke für die Unterstützung. Grüße -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Biberbaer: Zum Glück kein Schnee hier, jetzt haben wir Frühling. Wenn es ein normales Jahr gäbe, wäre ich jetzt für die Wikimedia Summit in Berlin. Und dann nach Bukarest. Aber es geht wie es geht. Zumindest arbeite ich von meine Hause, also arbeite jetzt fast normal. - Jmabel ! talk 15:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The event will definitely be rescheduled. I am a pensioner and look forward to working in my garden. All the best -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:01, 1 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mr/Mrs Jmabel.... Are you American Tinqo nr (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Nothing. It's just that I have been listening to a song called "Guillotine" by Jon Bellion. I have never seen one before and also ....Are you male or female. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinqo nr (talk • contribs) 00:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So are you male or female.tinqo nr

Tinqo nr (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Tinqo nr: None of your business, really, and please do not post to my talk page again. - Jmabel ! talk 23:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Dear Jmabel, can you rename this file File:Pictogram wait positive.svg.png > File:Pictogram wait positive.png and delete File:Pictogram wait positive.svg. First i installed .png version than later try it with .svg but i think .png version is fine and transparent no need for .svg version. Also it's not vector just image with white background. -- Estin  Giç Giç? 18:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Estin Giç Giç: Please use {{Rename}} and {{Speedy}} instead of calling on some one individual to do this. - Jmabel ! talk 18:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Jmabel: , well i replied you after you gave this answer but i'm guessing it's never showed up. Deletion and rename process is done. But i gotta say, your attitude could be more supportive. I'am not a new user, before you've said it, i put these templates in files but i'm a bit stranger to commons since i've just uploaded several files and don't want to confuse admins with similar file names and my requests crossed. I thought yea this admin answer my questions, he is available i should notice him. Whatever, it's done already. Have a nice day!-- Estin  Giç Giç? 23:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Almost everyone here, myself included, is up to their eyeballs in stuff to do. We each have things we routinely focus on, and things we don't. When there is a process to tag files to get something done, that means a person who focuses on that will do it, more or less in the order the requests came in. It's a lot simpler than each user arbitrarily picking what admin needs to do a particular task. - Jmabel ! talk
      • Yes of course i know generally and i get it you have a low stuff to get in order probably more than any wikis, like i said my intention was not to push you on some task. I thought it would be better if an admin knows what is the real story here. After the process is done i got it templates are enough in situation like this. God speed you! -- Estin  Giç Giç? 10:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With reference to your reply[edit]

User: Maizbhandariya Maizbhandariya (talk) 23:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I probably should have just pinged you here and let you fix this yourself, especially since I screwed up the fix in my first edit. Sorry. Storkk (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:2015 Fremont Solstice parade - Sasquatch 01 (19289530146).jpg[edit]

File:2015 Fremont Solstice parade - Sasquatch 01 (19289530146).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

DalefromCleveland (talk) 00:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, it seems there are no severe objections to my candidancy. Could you kindly please determine that. I really appreciate your time and help. kind regards--Déjà vu 02:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @DejaVu: I don't normally go anywhere near that page; I presume someone handles it on a regular basis, and I'd rather leave it to them. It's only been 8 hours since the earliest possible time to close the discussion. If it goes another 24 hours & no one has dealt with it, please ping me then. - Jmabel ! talk 02:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ok, I will. thank you so much. Déjà vu 02:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons Photographers User Group: Meeting on May 30, 2020[edit]

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I’d like to invite you to our group’s first Virtual Meeting on Saturday, May 30, 2020. The meeting will serve as an opportunity to get to know each other better, share learnings, and connect in times of the global COVID-19 pandemic.

Please take a look at the meeting page and add your name to the list of participants if you’re planning to attend.

Hope to see you in a week! All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey, could you delete this file here, I uploaded to prove the source information in the talk page discussion on English Wikipeida. Have a nice day.Eliko007 (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you.Eliko007 (talk) 00:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Revision deletion[edit]

Dear Jmabel, I found this file which shows the grades of students at AUA. In the first version, the names of most students are still readable. Would it be possible to delete this version? Or should the entire file be deleted? -- B2Belgium (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I had read on the page about "Revision deletion" that one should contact individual admins to avoid the Streisand effect. But I'm happy to to use the noticeboard in the future. Thanks for the quick deletion! -- B2Belgium (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @B2Belgium: Huh. It's likely to happen a lot faster if not just one person has a chance to deal with it. Probably works out about the same (more eyes on the AN page, so more people's attention drawn: possible Streisand effect, but also probably fixed proportionately sooner). But AN page has much more certainty of someone getting there quickly. I'm a pretty active admin, but I can be away for a day or two (though probably not while I'm more-or-less sequestered against an epidemic). - Jmabel ! talk 15:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I don't follow COM:AN as much as I follow en:WP:AN, so I don't know how we tend to handle it here, but at WP:AN there's a big notice saying not to report potential privacy issues there. The instructions say to go to Requests for oversight, which is analogous to COM:O. To me it makes sense, since it's more likely that the admin in question will see the notice before problematic other people do. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Washington categories[edit]

Thank you for the help. I had no idea that the flag icon worked with (state), or I would have asked that the bot operator use the code you used. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Nyttend: It didn't until some time last week, when I created a redirect so it would work. - Jmabel ! talk 01:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I've always been uncomfortable with file redirects. For some reason, it seems to me that they often don't work — for example, why else would there be a "Try to replace usage immediately using your user account" option when you've moving a file — but at other times they do. I'll just accept the fact that this works, and be glad :-) Thank you. Nyttend (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Nyttend: Double redirects fail, so if you don't promptly update usage and eventually it is moved again, things fail. - Jmabel ! talk 00:13, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Understood, but sometimes it seems like if I move a file and don't update the redirect on a page where the file appears, that page displays neither the file nor the redlinked file name, but a little box. Nyttend (talk) 00:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @Nyttend: I'd guess a caching issue, and that with time it would sort itself out, but it's hard to know without seeing it. - Jmabel ! talk 00:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


And also:

Yours sincerely, Martin Sg. (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Thank you for answering a question. Great Wiki photo contributions. Kate Branch Kate Branch Photography (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please help me be rational[edit]


A.Savin continues to follow me around and "adjust" my edits. He just deleted a whole category I made, a heritage ID. because it was a "roof" (which the ID called it), a duplicate of "ceiling". I know I am over reacting to him, but I have no peace now. What can I tell myself to feel OK? I am being stalked and it feels creepy and awful. (If I could just get out of my house and forget about the Commons!) Kalbbes (talk) 23:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not that it matters anymore, but how should I have named the section? I can't even do that right, Kalbbes (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the prior existing category was correctly named; the question is whether the heritage designation of the "roof" includes the interior of that roof, the ceiling, which pretty much requires finding and reading the document that designated it as a heritage site. - Jmabel ! talk 00:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is not a document for heritage sites in Pakistan. It's not like the NRHP in the U.S.where there is a document. (Someone at WMF organizes the participation for Pakistan, I guess.) The Commons is not good for my mental health anymore. I haven't experienced being a target before, even with 400,000 edits, and I can't take it. Thank you for responding. I very much appreciate your kindness. Kalbbes (talk) 00:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kalbbes: Some piece of legislation or some order of some department must have designated it a heritage site. That document may not be readily available, but it pretty much has to exist. - Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, another admin just now changed the description, no document or anything; I think an admin can easily change the file name but why should they bother? They can do what they want. What's the point for me to try to be conscientious? There is none. I thought there was, but it's clear now. Thanks and best wishes. Kalbbes (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(clearly an unrelated section)[edit]

@Jmabel: Janvermont here answering you question on my notification list today. Not sure I'm doing the right thing because I did not find the topic in your list on talk page. I reported to Jeff G. this morning that I spoke to the sculptor Tony Rosenthal who had had a studio in Centrak Park New York City when of course he was still alive and he said any photographs were automatically ok. That conversation is not documentation. So I always clear things with my lawyers which I did way back and they said its sidewalk position,

Janvermont (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2020 attribute of sidewalk sculpture, was enough to establish photographic use. Janvermont (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jmabel: with respect to the educational function of the image File:presenting norman mailer.tif, It is scheduled for a hanging version of images 40"x20" for three months beginning September 2020 in the Tufts University Art Center.. It was selected by the Art Center director, because when she saw a hanging version viewing it required not to just pass by a sequence of images but needed to spend the time to learn from the significant facts and feelings in it, as well as the personalities of the three people involved. There is profit from the additional research i did to give insight into Sinclair Lewis' personality. I have given an interview involving it and scheduled to do a video in August. Next March another hanging show will be at the Hart Memorial Library in Westchester County, New York. The same reasons, a different kind of walk-by than usual. I'16:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Janvermont (talk)m willing to send you a picture book of the images if you want.Janvermont (talk) 16:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Photographer's real name[edit]

Hi. We were discussing at the Help Desk how I could remove the photographer's real name from the File history of three images, ie: File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0031.jpg -- File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0030.jpg -- File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0029.jpg. I have now uploaded new versions of these files to Category:Carthona, minus the real name, so can we please delete the earlier uploads with the photographer's name in them? Thank you, Sardaka (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Convenience links: File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0031.jpg, File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0030.jpg, File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0029.jpg, Category:Carthona. - Jmabel ! talk 14:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sardaka: Done. - Jmabel ! talk 14:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. Sardaka (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Roslyn cemetery complex[edit]

I really like these photos. It makes a difference to my day. Thank you Joe. 2A04:4A43:4C7F:A7DC:A458:D936:1FAD:D4C2 00:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • You're very welcome. My girlfriend & I were in Roslyn, took one look at the people milling about downtown, said something to the effect of "In the middle of a pandemic? What else is there to do around here where there won't be so many people?" and headed out to wander the cemeteries. - Jmabel ! talk 00:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its been 72 hours[edit]

Hi there, the other day you said the other day that you will in 72 hours close the deletion nomination on my photos, it has since been 72 hours.

Dynamite16 (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • It would sure help if when you link a message like this you would link what you are talking about, but I'll go try to find it. - Jmabel ! talk 16:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Found, dealt with. - Jmabel ! talk 16:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Incidental things[edit]

Sorry to bother you. Does adding nor creating categories (Category:Photographs of flags of Hungary in Miskolc to pictures that incidentally contained objects (e.g. File:House of arts 1.jpg) count as vandalism? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @SpinnerLaserz: Without looking into the history of this (I'm at work right now): doing it once wouldn't be an issue; doing it repeatedly if you've been told not to and haven't somehow come to an agreement would be bad behavior. I'm not going to get into whether "vandalism" is the right term or not, but someone could be blocked for doing that. - Jmabel ! talk 17:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Mima Mounds[edit]


When I first began categorizing on the Commons, I made mistakes in Washington State. Please check to make sure this category is ok, or may need corrections/additions etc. Thanks so much, Kalbbes (talk) 20:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC) @Kalbbes: Looks reasonable to me, but it's not a topic I know a lot about. - Jmabel ! talk 20:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! Kalbbes (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:National Park Service rustic[edit]

Hello. I've just done even more work on this category, first of all by creating Category:National Park Service rustic by national park and its subcategories. I have also had to withdraw a few categories from there. It appears that some buildings were added to the category tree with no external source backing the claim that they use NPS rustic. Many such claims on the English Wikipedia are sourced with documents that do not say what they are said to say. But now, after my recent work, everything that is in the Commons category has a valid source under architectural style (P149) on Wikidata. We need to be careful when adding new entries in the category from now on. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is possible that many buildings are still missing but those that are in the category are for sure using the said style. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thierry Caro: Most categorizations on Commons are unreferenced. Sticking with buildings here and giving just a few examples of the issue:
  1. For buildings photographed by our own contributors:
    1. We never have references that the building is what they say it is.
    2. We never have independent references for when the photo was taken; at best we have EXIF or such.
  2. For buildings in general:
    1. We almost never have references for a building being in a particular neighborhood and in many cities, neighborhood boundaries are entirely subjective. For example, I can think of a part of Seattle along Madison Street where I would put anything photographed there in three neighborhood categories because different people would classify that neighborhood differently.
    2. Because Commons does not require explicit citation, we rarely have an explicit reference for a category about when a building was built, even as to decade.
    3. Simlarly, on any but famous buildings, we rarely have an explicit reference for architectural style. In the particular case we are looking at, National Park Service rustic is generally not hard to spot. If you can look at the photo and see that it is obviously National Park Service rustic, you shouldn't be removing a category that says so.
Commons standards do not require a citation for each categorization or even every assertion in the description.
Jmabel ! talk 16:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. You are right. But what I wanted to say, mostly, is that not all wooden buildings that look old and are in parks are 'NPS rustic'. They need to have been built during a certain timeframe - mid-1920s to mid-1940s seem to be the rule - and with NPS architects involved. Otherwise they are simply 'rustic'. What I say is we should pay attention to that. I had to use sources to check everything that we had already categorized. Now everything is cleaner. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello there. It is me again. First of all, do not worry, please! I understand that your interest in NPS rustic was certainly in part circumstancial, due to the edits that triggered this conversation. But then I suppose you'll still like to learn that further progress is being made on this style. More and more Wikidata items have sourced statements related to its use, which allows us to create an already quite thorough map of the main structures and places in National Park Service rustic. You can see it at I hope you'll enjoy this as much as I do — while keeping in mind that there are still many additions to be made. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

please help[edit]

@Jmabel: I'm very upset and I am asking for your help. I sent you a complete description of how my Wikipedia page came to be and it hasn't been touched since then. I hope you agree to that and you will help me with the current attempt to delete my Wikipedia page. I saw, but I can't find it that you said that it had been in use for five and a half years without disruption and you thought it should probably be left as is. I hoped you would be willing to persuade Jeff G. of this. I am afraid to communicate with Jeff G. Please help me. I don't where else to put this.Janvermont (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Janvermont: Sorry. I certainly agree that you deserve an article on the English-language Wikipedia, but it does look to me like you or someone close to you chose to violate en:WP:COI by writing about you and not revealing their connection. I can't defend that. - Jmabel ! talk 02:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Carson Mansion[edit]

Very nice picture of the Carson Mansion [3] Jim Evans (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Jim Evans: Thanks! I was actually just passing through on my way from Seattle to San Francisco, and spent a couple of hours wandering around town shooting photos. - Jmabel ! talk 02:19, 14 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi again. Per your request in the discussion at COM:ANU#User:Verdy p and User:Jmabel, I am hereby notifying you of the result: AFBorchert blocked Verdy p for a month.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 09:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Concerning this matter, I’d like to express my relief over the outcome. You said that it seemed that I meant that Verdy_p being a valuable contributor is a reason to «suck it up» — that was not my intention: I did that concerning {{RomanCat}}, and exceptionally so (I am usually much more grouchy than that). In this conflict with you Verdy_p was not only unpleasant and disruptive but also wrong — in substance and in method. I deplore the fact that the apport of other admins on the matter was scarce and tardy — that was not caused by Verdy_p being some sort of darling to any admin clique, I am sure (and as the outcome suggests), but I fear that your promise of stepping down as admin should the matter be left unattended by uninvolved admins might have been felt as a good thing by anyone who’d like Commons better if you were not an admin. Indeed I am not a fan of a sizeable portion of our admin team, sadly, and I am glad that you are and will be there to counter trends I find objectionable. -- Tuválkin 14:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Tuvalkin: Thanks. Quite a lot, actually.
    Note that I staked my adminship only on the two matters where I was 100% certain I was right. On the others I said I stood ready to see evidence that there was a misunderstanding. But on the two things where I was described as doing things I simply did not do? Hell, I would have gladly bet $10,000 against $50, and considered it an easy pickup of fifty bucks.
    I was really hoping to just report this once and have some other admin deal with it. Once that didn't happen, I was in a pretty uncomfortable position. And it wasn't so much your words that left me feeling I was being told to "suck it up," it was that the reaction by other admins that Verdy p's then-ongoing effort at bullying me amounted to hand-wringing, at best. You were the one person who at least gave a concrete indication that this was not some sort of isolated incident where it was equally likely that either party was at fault, which as a non-admin was really all you could do. - Jmabel ! talk 15:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Organization accounts on Commons[edit]

I saw you tell a user on the Help Desk that "all accounts have to be individuals". While this is true on English Wikipedia, this isn't the case on Commons; see Commons:Username policy#Well-known_names_and_names_of_organizations (this is not well-advertised; I only found this out when I was on the verge of flagging a copyvio before I noticed the username). I'm raising this here rather than in the help desk thread because the user doesn't seem strongly committed to having an organization account, and getting OTRS involved will probably just complicate things; I'll leave it up to you whether you want to communicate this back to the user. Vahurzpu (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Vahurzpu: I actually knew this, but thought the chance of them not using the account somewhere it would get them in trouble was near nil, and it still would have meant they either needed to deal with it on the group's own site or go through OTRS. I decided to keep it simple. - Jmabel ! talk 03:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Makes sense. Thanks for all the work you do at the help desk! Vahurzpu (talk) 04:00, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/07/Category:Regions of Spain[edit]

Hola Jmabel. Thank you for your message. I totally agree with you. Este usuario ha creado un lío tremendo. I wasn't aware of that category but I have just seen that there are a number of subcategories that make no sense at all. This user simply doesn't know anything about Spain. I will try to put it back as it was when I can. Best regards, tyk (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Tyk: Thank you so much. I'm sure you can see why at this point I am not the person to do it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: " Renaming request for File:Map-Hispanophone World.png to File:Map-Hispanophone World 2000.png " in the Commons:Administrators' noticeboard[edit]


Yes. The data is from the 2000 census, which is also shown in File:Map-Hispanophone World.png. Here is the official source with the specific data on page 7:

Yours sincerely, Maphobbyist (talk) 10:58, 27 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Maphobbyist: Not sure why you split this away from the rest of the discussion, but I will follow up by moving it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ah: I see. Getting my attention because this was on a page I don't always look at. Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 14:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much. Maphobbyist (talk) 19:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category rename request[edit]

Hi, Jmabel. I see you recently asked the bot to rename Category:Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition (1909) - Philippine Building to Category:Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition Philippine Building. The problem with this is that the latter category already exists, and is a redirect to the former, so the bot's edit created a redirect loop. Since you are an admin, and I am not, you can resolve this situation by deleting the existing redirect at the target category (and, if you think it necessary, merging the page histories). --R'n'B (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @R'n'B: Thanks! That's so weird. Briarfallen had redirected a category name that paralleled 30 or so others to one with the year in the title that doesn't. - Jmabel ! talk 14:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copyright violation speedy deletion[edit]

Thanks for speedy deleting a copyvio I accidentally nominated for deletion instead of speedy deletion, File:Nic_Latifi.jpg is the same file, can this be speedy deleted as well? FozzieHey (talk) 10:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @FozzieHey: Deleted. You are not the uploader of that, and it looks like User:Jeff G. nominated it for speedy deletion only 40 minutes ago, so normally I'd be inclined to give the uploader a little more time to respond, but since this apparent copyvio is their sole contribution to Commons I don't see any point to that. - Jmabel ! talk 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh yeah I'm just saying that there was the exact same image which was deleted available, I didn't know you could nominate a file for speedy after you've nominated it for regular deletion, thanks for your help! FozzieHey (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"How is that not a violation of Maslow's heirs' copyright?"[edit]

Hey, you posted this.

My file is based on the previous used file:

Which was an image, not an svg file and had a typo in it.

The previous file was based on Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license, so is mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Androidmarsexpress (talk • contribs) 07:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Androidmarsexpress (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Androidmarsexpress: I tagged both files as copyright violations.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 08:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons Photographers User Group: Meeting on September 26 and other stuff[edit]

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I've got a quick update for you, containing three items:

  • I’d like to invite you to our group’s second Virtual Meeting on Saturday, September 26, 2020. As last time, this meeting will serve as an opportunity to get to know each other better, share learnings, and connect in times of the global COVID-19 pandemic. If you'd like to present, please add your name and the proposed topic to the list on the talk page.
  • Also, I'd like to start a conversation about how we should be sharing responsibility for the user group going forward. I'd love to get some help when it comes to organizing things and I'm convinced that we can achieve more if a couple of people helped with coordinating stuff.
  • Finally, the Wikimedia Foundation has asked me to spread the word about their latest survey: Universal Code of Conduct Survey. The goal is to create a safer environment on Wikimedia projects and the Foundation gathers feedback prior to coming up with a first draft.

Hope to see you at the Zoom meeting in September!

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

African American history by state[edit]


Per your example, I redirected all the African American history by state categories to African American history. The "by state" categories were a failed idea on my part, as these categories has only one to a few images in them each except for Massachusetts where almost all were in Boston. Categorizing images by other characteristics, as is done there e.g."era", "century", "decade" "sites connected to" and others seem to be a much more successful way to categorize these images. Hope what I did is OK with you. Best, Krok6kola (talk) 12:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Krok6kola: I have mixed feelings about that: I don't like tiny categories, but that could be a loss of information. Did you first make sure that this wasn't the only indication of what state each such photo was in?
The reason I made the change I did (redirecting Category:African American history in the United States to Category:African American history is that the two categories were each a parent of the other, and there was absolutely no difference between their scope, so there was literally no reason to have two categories. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, the categories I redirected had very few files. I was the only one making and putting anything in those categories and I wasn't up to continuing. There is apparently not much interest in categorizing African American history by state. But categories by topics e.g.Category:Sites in the United States connected to African American history, Category:Plantations in the United States by state, Category:African American Native Americans, Category:African American organizations, Category:Racial segregation in the United States, Category:African American music, Category:Racial segregation in the United States thrive. I can reconstruct the ones I redirected if you would like. Krok6kola (talk) 15:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am discovering many topics related to African American history are under other topics, such as Category:History of civil rights in the United States. I don't know how to deal with all this. It seems to require someone rationally thinking out categories for African Americans/Blacks and imposing order. Many will have to be in more that one category. I am burned out on all this as I have put much work into it. But many categories I have created are hard to find as they have been put in subcategories, e.g. Category:African American churches in the United States is now under Category:Sites in the United States connected to African American history What to do? (I will stop bothering you now). Sorry, Krok6kola (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

African American barbershops[edit]

Hello again,

Where I live now, Black barbershops are very much a huge and visible business, as are shops that braid hair and other specialty shops for Blacks. Maybe if this virus thing ever stops, I'll try to take some picture though I don't have a camera. Best, Krok6kola (talk)

  • @Krok6kola: Definitely something for which we could use more images. And a category. And probably a Wikipedia article on the broad topic of the cultural aspects of African American hair, but as a white person I would hesitate to write it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is such a vast and complicated subject that it would take some kind of expert in the broad field of African American history, culture etc. From my experience, US states vary enormously in the visibility and acceptance of Black culture today. I can't even imagine a person who could write such an article reflecting past and present reality (with reliable sources etc.). Taunting! Krok6kola (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply][edit]

Thanks for finding the UW dating of the photo 0-a-curtis-pan-to-2nd-hill-fm-seneca-broadway-web11.jpg. I had written 1890s because the website where I found it (indicated in the image information) had said mid-1890s but I also doubted that was true because it was inconsistent with other photos showing an empty hill in the mid-1890s. 1905 makes much more sense. I have corrected the image data. Itsonlybiological (talk) 06:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sleuthing two photos of a Seattle house[edit]

These files are both described by the University of Washington Libraries Special Collections as "Reginald Thomson's home at 1636 34th Ave., Seattle, probably 1900" but to put it mildly, I have my doubts. That is definitely an address at which Thomson lived. I have free online access to only a few of Polk's City Directories for Seattle; the 1939 directory confirms this as his address then, but the 1901 directory shows Thomson living at 701 Yesler Way (more or less downtown, Profanity Hill at the time, right where Interstate 5 now goes through). Oddly, the 1913 directory does not list Thomson at all: very odd, given that he was City Engineer at the time (see en:Reginald H. Thomson). If there are other Polk's Directories for Seattle free online, I don't know where to find them; I'd be glad to know.

Notice that the two pictures are both from roughly the same point of view, but in between 2310 (clearly the earlier one) and 2309 a street has been built and there's been a bit of regrading (R.H.'s specialty!). Maybe these are less than a year apart, but if so a street went in that year and it doesn't even look like a brand new street to me in 2309.

But also… Sure, there could easily be a different house now at 1636 34th Avenue than there was then, but Zillow lists the (quite different) house there now as built in 1913, so if the address is right and Thomson was living there in both around 1900 (because the 1901 Polk's doesn't rule out him moving there shortly thereafter) and in 1939, he had a rather new house torn down and built a replacement about the same size but in a different style on the property, which seems unlikely. Plus: the street in the 2309 picture is curved, and 1636 34th Ave. is in a part of Madrona with a rectangular street grid; I guess that could have changed, but it doesn't seem likely. It seems more likely that the Dutch Colonial shown here may have been where R.H. Thomson was living shortly after 1900, but it isn't 1636 34th Avenue, and someone who knew Thomson's later address applied it without a solid basis to these photos. Or this house could have nothing to do with Thomson at all.

For what it's worth, it does look a view looking SSW from somewhere three to ten blocks west of Lake Washington. - Jmabel ! talk 05:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lost account[edit]

Hi. Perhaps you can help me. I seem to have lost one of my accounts. I had two accounts, one under this username and another under my real name for releasing content under my real name. But it seems that account under my real name doesn’t exist anymore. I still have the email from Wikimedia commons confirming the account, so I know that I am spelling the username correctly. It has been a while since I used my real name account. If the account was deleted would I have gotten an email? Constant314 (talk) 21:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Constant314: As far as I know, it's not possible for an account to be deleted. Even if it had for some reason been blocked, there would still be explicit record of a blocked account.
  • If you trust me to contact me confidentially with the account name, you can use email to let me know what account you are talking about and I can look into it. If you don't trust me on that level, the OTRS team are the people who have the community's imprimatur to handle confidential correspondence, and you can take it up with them. - Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 3 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Septembrie 2020: A început Wiki Loves Monuments în România![edit]

Deși trecem prin momente dificile în aceste vremuri imprevizibile generate de pandemia de COVID-19, competiția Wiki Loves Monuments are loc și anul acesta, implicit și în România.

Am fi încântați dacă ați participa și în acest an la documentarea fotografică a patrimoniului nostru cultural construit. Întrucât o carantină nu este programată în România, puteți să ieșiți în continuare să faceți fotografii - luând toate măsurile de siguranță recomandate de autoritățile locale de sănătate. Dacă preferați să evitați ieșirile, cu siguranță aveți fotografii cu monumente înregistrate pe calculator din ultima călătorie! Aceasta este o oportunitate excelentă de a le oferi o a doua viață prin concursului Wiki Loves Monuments. Pe lângă faptul că vor fi vizibile pentru toată lumea, fotografiile dumneavoastră ar putea reprezenta România în competiția internațională. De asemenea ele pot apărea în diverse articole la Wikipedia și pot contribui la conservarea online a patrimoniului cultural și istoric al României.

Pentru detalii și reguli de participare, puteți găsi mai multe informații pe pagina Wiki Loves Monuments România. Dacă aveți fotografii și din alte țări, puteți verifica aici țările participante.

Mulțumim și nu uitați, concursul se desfășoară până pe 30 septembrie! Mult succes vă dorim și să vă bucurați, în condiții de siguranță, de patrimoniul care vă înconjoară!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Eu locuiesc în Statile Unite, și nu pot călători în România până nu se termină pandemia. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

File:Equestrian Vaulting pictogram.svg[edit]

The redirect is in use more than 500 times. Please restore. •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 20:28, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Bot will delink all articles. [4] please stop him •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 20:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
User:Citius Altius Fortius said he was replacing it with a more specific image. Citius, why has that not happened? - Jmabel ! talk 21:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleting it before it was substituted in all articles was not helpful, to put it politely, and could have easily been avoided with one simple check right before executing the deletion. - Squasher (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Yes. Sorry I missed that. And I probably should have made the move myself rather than presume that he would do so promptly. - Jmabel ! talk 21:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
please restore the redirect now2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 21:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Oh, jeez. He didn't have filemover privileges and hadn't said so. So he tagged it, presumably thinking that would effectively move it. Now moved. My apologies for the havoc. - Jmabel ! talk 21:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E: Are you saying the move that was requested on Help Desk shouldn't even have happened, and that I should revert it and restore the redirect? If so, I'm going to have to ask that you come to consensus first. I apologize that I didn't know there was something controversial here; the request at Help Desk gave no indication of that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
my English is not enough for help desk. I wrote here by translator. •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 21:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sorry, Jmabel and 2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E - I was sleeping - it is night here. I have to apologise to you Jmabel. I was not aware how many people are not aware of the differences between the different equestrian sports and used on wikipedia sites "Equestrian Vaulting pictogram", when they wanted to show the general equestrian pictogram. I thought people, who use "Equestrian Vaulting pictogram" instead of "Equestrian pictogram" really want to show "Vaulting" and not something else. That is a mystery to me - especially vaulting is something, which is not generally known. I do understand the problem that there are hundreds of sites now showing the more specific image "Vaulting" where the more general one was wanted to be shown. It would be better if the people use the general pictogram when they want to show the image of the general sport, but I doubt they will correct their mistake - therefore I kindly ask you to revert it, Jmabel although it drives "nuts".--Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I will do the revert(s) on Commons (remove the new redirect, undo the move, restore the old redirect). @Citius Altius Fortius:
      • Please try to be of assistance in cleaning up what got messed up by this.
      • In the future, please, before coming to the Help Desk for what appears to be purely technical help, make sure that the necessary consensus has been established.
15:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Reminder: User Group Meeting this Saturday[edit]

Dear Commons Photographers User Group member,

This is a quick reminder that our second virtual meeting will take place this Saturday, September 26. The agenda entails presentations about drone photography, about the story behind a featured picture, and about the future of LRMediaWiki. We'll also discuss photographers’ contacts with the Wikimedia Foundation and the election of representatives for our user group. You'll find information about all of this on the event page:

I'm also inviting you to share some information about yourself and your photography work with other members of the user group on our new membership list:

I hope you're well during these difficult times. All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Jmabel - I ran across this pic: File:Union Bay Natural Area flora 01.jpg; it looks like it should be fairly easy to identify, though I can't myself. One query though - it looks to me as though it should be rotated 180° (pendulous inflorescence, rather than erect). Can you remember if it is the right way up or not? Do you have any other pics of the same plant? Thanks! - MPF (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @MPF: 3 years later it's hard to be sure, but I'm 99% consistent about which way I turn my camera when I shoot a vertical image. - Jmabel ! talk 15:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! I'll leave it the way up it is now, then! - MPF (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dear Jmabel[edit]

You Wrote this for me, i am photographer of this image, Help me provide more details. @Farzam.iman: More precisely, you need a free license issued by the photographer. - Jmabel ! talk 17:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farzam.iman (talk • contribs) 17:43, 3 October 2020‎ (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Farzam.iman: I'm sorry, I have dozens of interactions per day and have no idea of the context of this. Would you please just continue the conversation wherever it was? Just say this there, not here. - Jmabel ! talk 18:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


And also:

Yours sincerely, DCB (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Gracias por tu amabilidad en responder. Creo firmemente que es imposible trabajar así y no quiero alargar la agonía. He ido añadiendo plantillas G7 a varias imágenes, total es mi palabra contra los verdugos que cuelgan los avisos y se limitan a eso. Ellos no pueden demostrar que no son imágenes mías, de la misma forma que yo no puedo demostrar que lo son pues no suelo grabarme delante del PC cuando trabajo... (chiste malo, lo sé). De estos años solo he aprendido que es un trabajo voluntario y desgraciadamente poco agradecido. Y ya llegó un punto que es mejor lanzar la toalla, no puedo luchar contra esto; no puedo, ni sé, encontrar lo que me piden para defender la permanencia de imagen. Se me hace muy cuesta arriba. No sé si podré ir añadiendo el G7 a todas las imágenes a diario, pero lo lograré con paciencia y cuando me lo permita el tiempo. De todo esto, entiendo que solo pierde la Wiki. El sentimiento de fracaso y humillación es muy grande, no te lo puedes ni imaginar, pero mira, es mejor afrontarlo con la cabeza alta. Al final todos acabaremos en el mismo lugar, así que da igual si aprecian el legado o no. Nadie se acordará de nosotros por esto. Un saludo y de nuevo, gracias.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Gilwellian: G7 es solamente para imágenes subido en la última siete días. Por favor, no pierda el tiempo agregándolo a archivos más antiguos. Lamento verse partir, pero por favor no haga daño al salir. Y sepa que si cambia de opinión después de unos meses, será bienvenido de regreso. - Jmabel ! talk 15:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tomo nota. Y no es hacer daño, pues los archivos son míos y mi trabajo me ha costado. Y no, desgraciadamente, en las condiciones que se encuentra Commons, no hay razón para regresar porque no hay nada que hacer. Es perder el tiempo.--Gilwellian (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Te voy a explicar la historia de este archivo, que se acaba de eliminar de Commons. La imagen aparece aquí y el Sr. Eduardo Candami Salat que aparece citado como restaurador, me escribe literalmente alucinando preguntando por qué ha desaparecido la foto del artículo de Wikipedia. Le he intentado explicar y no lo entiende, es que nadie entre los mortales entiende Commons, y cuando eso pasa y el protocolo supera la realidad, la gente suele prescindir porque molesta, no es útil, es un estorbo para la rutina diaria. Se ha cabreado mucha gente relacionada con el mundo scout, que lo sepáis. El Sr. Candami hablará mañana con Pablo Genovés, el hijo de Enrique Genovés, pero ya le he informado de como funciona el procedimiento en Commons y siguiendo en su tónica de alucinaciones por la complejidad, entiende por qué me retiro del proyecto y no va a mover un dedo por recuperar el archivo. No ve beneficio alguno y sin embargo solo ve Commons como un agravio. De hecho me pregunta como es posible que un proyecto que no valora a sus editores, me haya tenido tan entretenido todos estos años. Yo también me lo pregunto a veces. Si quieres preguntar algo, el Facebook del Sr. Eduard Candami es este, por si a alguien le interesa contactar. Bueno, no espero nada positivo, solo pretendía que te dieses cuenta que las aportaciones están respaldadas por una comunidad scout muy amplia, y que nadie entiende (y por mucho que se intente explicar lo entenderá) estas cosas. Buenas noches. --Gilwellian (talk) 19:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pues, juro que soy mortal (y también que era scout, hace muchos años). Derechos de autor son muy complejos, más complejo para imágenes que para palabras, y diferentes para cualquier país. No es Commons que lo hace así.
No me gusta que alguién decidió desenlacer a la vez una cascada de asuntos no relacionado uno a otro acerca de so obra aquí, y sín tratar de ayudar, pero en los que yo había tiempo para examinar, aparece que tuviera razón. Pero estoy de acuerdo con Vd. en que fue demasiado a la vez, y ahora no hay buen remedio. Hablaré con él, pero no creo que serva para nada, la cascada ya está desenlacecida. - Jmabel ! talk 20:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@EugeneZelenko, JuTa, and AFBorchert: it does seem to me that an awful lot of distinct issues were unleashed all at once on User:Gilwellian without anyone really offering him any assistance in working through the matters. At this point, based on what he's said, he is simply giving up, and I can't blame him. It looks to me like most, maybe all, of your issues are legitimate, but also like most, maybe all, were resolvable, and raising dozens of distinct problems in a single day with a Wikipedian who is a somewhat casual user of Commons might not really be the best practice compared to engaging him and trying to work out these issues in a less time-compressed manner. - Jmabel ! talk 20:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tried to explain what problems are for this user. Sure, it would be much better if problems were detected much early. Anyway, it's never too late to fix them instead of running away from this task. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
EugeneZelenko When advanced users try to explain is like talking klingon to us. Please, FIX ONE as an example and I'll try to amend the rest. This would be the right way to help! I am not the only Wikipedian who had or has problems here, in fact I think that from the volume of complaints that I have read on the talk pages, something is not being done right. Man, 15 years editing in Wikipedia, +2,200 articles created duly referenced but Commons is like an ice wall. --Gilwellian (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I don't have source publication(s) at hand. Summary of copyights law for particular country could be found on Commons:Copyright rules by territory. You need to find out information about authors and their date of life or date of publication for anonymous works to see if work in public domain or not. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gilwellian: I hope it's OK if I revert to English here, now that we have people on this thread who do not know Spanish. The problem is: this is not a matter of a technical fix that someone other than you can make. The problem is that you've uploaded files without clearly establishing their copyright status. A lot of the Wikipedias do allow that for files used entirely within that single Wikipedia and not uploaded to Commons. For example, on the English-language Wikipedia, that is what en:Wikipedia:Non-free content is all about. But the central idea of Commons is to offer material that is either public-domain or free-licensed (where the license is broad enough to allow derivative work and commercial re-use), and if the copyright status of an image is unclear, then Commons shouldn't host it.
There seem to be a few separate issues, different for different images. The easiest to sort out would be any where you took a photograph yourself and where the photograph is not of a work that is copyrighted in its own right (as against taking a picture of a copyrighted book, which doesn't change that fact that the book is copyrighted). For these, all you need to do is to go through the process described at COM:OTRS to establish your identity and to say, "yes, these files are entirely my own work and I grant such-and-such license."
Some of these images come from third-party publications that presumably did not grant free licenses. Either there is a specific reason the image is in the public domain or there is not, and if there is not then Commons can't host it. If there is, then that specific reason needs to be established, and the rules for this will be different in each country. Commons requires that the image be free in both its country of origin and in the U.S. It is rare for an image to be free in its country of origin but not the U.S., but it happens because of a somewhat weird 1996 U.S. law that "restored" certain lapsed rights, sometimes granting rights that would last longer than in the country of origin. Please don't take offense if a few otherwise OK images end up deleted because of that. As I said above, copyright law is inherently difficult, and for the most part the difficulties are very much in the law itself, not in rules we on Commons have made.
With reference to that last: in most countries, copyright persists for a number of years after the author's death, typically 70 years. Some countries have a shorter term for "non-artistic" photographs, often as short as 50 years from initial publication even if the author is still alive. Also, uniquely for the U.S., anything more than 95 years old is out of copyright, so anything from the U.S. before 1925 is public domain. Commons:Hirtle chart sorts out a lot of other U.S. issues.
Some countries also have very special cases, such as the one covered by {{PD-Coa-Hungary}}, which says that the official coat of arms or flag of a Hungarian municipality is public domain.
I think the trickiest ones here will be things where you did a drawing based loosely on a presumably copyrighted design. I seem to remember seeing one of a Transylvanian Boy Scout logo (sorry, I don't have time to look for it now). Presuming the official logo is copyrighted, the problem is that it may not be possible to have an image that both sufficiently accurately represents the logo and is not subject to the logo's copyright. On the other hand, if the logo consists only of the graphics from an early Boy Scout logo whose copyright has lapsed, and some specific text in Romanian, there may not be any legitimate copyright on the logo (there might be a trademark, but that is a completely separate part of intellectual property law, and on Commons we deal with that simply by adding the {{Trademark}} template).
I hope some of that helps. If you are willing to work on this, it would be good to start with OTRS for anything that are simply your own photos. Similarly, if you have uploaded work by known photographers or artists and can get them to provide licenses via OTRS, that should also be relatively straightforward.
I'll admit I haven't been following the details of this closely: I'm not usually particularly active in deletion discussions. EugeneZelenko, in your opinion do the several DRs make it clear in what way the various images fall short of the necessary permissions? Are there any large number of them that have a single, parallel issue that it is likely to be possible to address? - Jmabel ! talk 15:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think that additional deletion requests are necessary. Obviously there are problems with license statuses and that problems must be addressed. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@EugeneZelenko: I certainly agree that no additional deletion requests are necessary. What I'm asking, given that you have been more involved than I in the actual substance of this, are the existing DRs clear about what issues need to be addressed, and are there a small number of recurring issues or a very diverse set of issues? - Jmabel ! talk 21:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it's clear what must be improved (permissions; proper licenses for public domain images). At least additional explanations were given several times. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Nobody helps here, I edit so blind in front of a template puzzle, and I have no idea if I'm doing it right or wrong. If there is something that you see incorrect, let whoever knows do it, but respect the photos.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit: Gracias por tu amable comentario, pero ya ves que ninguno de los tres ha mostrado ni un ápice de interés. Creo sinceramente que Commons está tan alejado de la realidad de la gente normal, que se ha convertido en un monstruo. La desgracia es que ese abismo entre usuarios eventuales y el Olimpo Commons es tan grande que llegará el día en que otra plataforma tomará el relevo y el proyecto Commons quedará obsoleto por falta de apoyo popular. He intentado modificar información de algunas fotos, los logos me dan igual, yo sé que son míos y para quien los he diseñado, el resto no importa. De nuevo, insisto, que la eliminación de la foto de Enrique Genovés Guillén ha herido a mucha gente, son fotos personales que están libres de derechos y solo sirven para divulgación histórica y enciclopédica. Yo más no puedo hacer, me retiro y ya veré las notificaciones dentro de una semana. Saludos.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I need to make a correction to the title of a picture I submitted for the contest. Dockside living (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Dockside living: I have no idea why you are asking this on my user talk page, or even what contest you are talking about, but assuming you mean a picture on Commons, you can use the {{Rename}} template to ask for any uncontroversial change of name to your own file. - Jmabel ! talk 16:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandal sock[edit]

Hi. I wrote another admin also but am not sure if they are still on-line: Special:Contributions/Ashfaaaq. Thx. --E4024 (talk) 03:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Walter Grassroot's webm uploads[edit]

I'm not stating that his uploads are bad in faith, and the reason why I explicitly moved the problem there at Village pump is to realistically discuss what I consider as issue rather than just moving it directly to commons. As shown in the conversation, some of his files used were removed (at zhwiki). Of course, I may be sometimes confused especially considering content from those webm uploads are directly from a news service. That's why I consider it to be within the excluded education content criteria, and if it is not used, then I just move to request deletion.

If really these are politically motivated deletions, then I would have already started putting forward all the requests without a discussion at Village pump.

Commons is, of course, an open host for media content that can be used across other projects. The current form of webm replay in the media makes it hard to trace the uploader in context, which made me much weary of politically-motivated content. That is why, when I randomly nominate the media for deletion, there were no political news content, as "showing the case", for me, is to express problems even at its uploads that should be retained.

It also seems that the line between "introducing content" and advert isn't clear, as what I think (as Chinese reader) advert can be considered as just an introduction, and surely that's way more than what commons can handle in its context. --1233 (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


what you say about my edits is fine and I am thinking about everything. But why, as an administrator, do you silently tolerate the abuse and insults made against me on my talk page by others? This is not civil or right and you know it. Hmains (talk) 01:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Answering by email. - Jmabel ! talk 01:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Hmains: I see you don't allow email to be sent to you through Commons, is there some way I can reply more privately? You can easily look up my email if you Google "Joe Mabel", if that works. - Jmabel ! talk 01:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I don't think so. In any case, I come here as a volunteer to do my best to improve the reader's experience. I have become physically sick from the abuse and insults here. There can be no excuse for the behavior of these several editors. Hmains (talk) 04:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I also see your pile on statements as just matching what other editors say (falsely) without your independently verifying the facts of the matter. This is also not supposed to happen. Hmains (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @Hmains: OK, then I will say publicly what I would rather have told you privately, but leave out names. I have not "silently tolerated the abuse" you've received from other editors. Even though I'm just now beginning to be something like fully recovered from a serious bout with Covid-19, I sent I believe two, but maybe only one (I have lots of balls in the air here on Commons and in my actual life) emails to other editors involved in this dispute telling them to stop piling onto you. I addressed you directly and publicly on your talk page because you asked what you should have done differently. I did my best to answer that, and I believe I focused mainly on how to approach things the next time this comes up rather than complaining about harm that is already done. But, really, I don't see how you can complain about being criticized publicly when you don't provide an email for anyone to address you privately. Do you think that by not providing such an email, no one should say anything negative in any way about your work when they think you are wrong? - Jmabel ! talk 07:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          • thanks for your actions. Regarding the latest entry on my talk page, I would just like to let things drop since the statements being made here have little relation to the facts of the edits I am now making and most of what I would have to say would be pointing out these discrepancies. Hmains (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank YOU.[edit]

Mulțumesc mult pentru încurajări! Thank you very much for your encouragement! --Julieta39 (talk) 08:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Am, am. Nu te porți ca un robot, ci ca o persoană. Vezi urmarea aici [5] și aici [6] (my last posts). Good wishes, --Julieta39 (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Julieta39: I hope you don't mind if I respond in English: I list myself as "ro-2", which is to say I can read a book in Romanian, and get the gist of a conversation, and participate a little, but it's my third language, well behind Spanish, and living in Seattle I don't have much day-to-day use for it.
  • There really is no such thing as closing an account here, except in the sense that you could behave so egregiously as to be blocked, which I gather didn't happen. It is perfectly valid for multiple users to collaborate, as long as they disclose their collaboration. It does tend to mean that in anything that comes down to voting we treat them collectively as one vote, and probably ethically only one should vote in such matters, representing the group, but that's not a formality, it's more up to the admin who tallies things to go, "This looks like three votes but it's only one."
  • I hope you don't mind if I don't plunge deeply into what looks like a sorry mess, and I'm sorry what apparently happened to you. It can be really tricky if your level of understanding of how this (Commons/Wikipedia/etc.) works is uneven, so you look expert to people and then make a "rookie mistake" in some matter. They are liable to think you did it willfully, especially if they are not so good on thinking about human behavior. (Among other things: we have a disproportionate number of high-functioning Apergers people on here, who are often brilliant, but can be -- and I say this as someone with several Aspie friends -- almost as clueless about human intentions as if they were not themselves human. It makes for a tricky community. When in doubt: with a very few exceptions, the Admins are capable, socially competent people, recognized by the community as such. Not that none of us have "agendas", but we have a certain baseline competence, and the baseline is pretty high. When your interaction with someone is getting weird, it is often worth either (usually openly) contacting an admin you've worked with in the past or (very openly, and not presuming any particular individual is available at a given time) coming to COM:AN or a similar page and asking for a look-in. When you do that, make sure to be as neutral as you can in describing the situation. It's actually often a good exercise just to try to describe your own behavior neutrally, you may decide you don't need the admin.
  • If you haven't departed for good: what exactly was the grounds on which these images were deleted? If it was copyright, then probably there is really nothing to argue with. Yes, Commons has a very strict copyright policy, and please don't take it personally. If it was a scope issue, please could you give me a neutral summary of the arguments from both sides. - Jmabel ! talk 17:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much Mabel. For the Aspie this does not surprise me, moreover Cepleanu himself has psychic problems, he is very brilliant in some ways (with several doctorates, and he has taught in university) and have incredible incapacities and clumsiness of the others (among other things, he does not understand much about technical, legal and IT issues). He is a fundamentally altruistic person but in his intimate, emotional being, the human beings terrify him. That said, methodologically, although you are right about what you are reporting to us, we collectively [COM:AN] prefer to cease our collaboration and demand the end of our accounts simply because, if we could be useful to create stubs, to start lines of reflection, to quote little known sources, this stage has now passed and our time as a team on this encyclopedia is over. Afterwards, each and every one will do according to his conscience, on his side. And if one or two of us come back later, in the future, and if the "Four Musketeers" (Elcobbola, Sealle, Pafsanias and Pitea) will once again want to denigrate this returning users and destroy the informations that exasperates them, they are free to start over. Anyway, no one is essential, we are all just talking ... Good wishes ! --Julieta39 (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Julieta39: Well, I hope you come back. But if you do, please do try to separate (1) process issues, (2) content issues (including both scope matters, and (3) grudges, whether yours or theirs. Each really needs to be approached differently. Even as a admin, every few months I find myself stepping aside from something here and trying to get in a different, unengaged admin or experienced editor who is not embroiled in the controversy. It is particularly useful to do something that as a self-described "Aspie" you are probably either great or awful at: giving a reasonably neutral description of a controversy in which you are engaged. - Jmabel ! talk 16:00, 11 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. Cepleanu is certainly either great or awful, but he no longer participates and I hope to be fired soon, and thus get out of these controversies, that our prosecutors and we, have not been able to avoid. I pass your advice to my colleagues. But I don't believe either will come back, because Wikipedia is like a territory that was new 15 years ago, where content took precedence over procedures, where any stub was welcome, whereas now it is becoming more and more strict and regulated. In this days, thousands of images are being erased from Commons because dozens of people uploaded their photos just writing "own" or because the photos they took show buildings, graffitis, monuments or landscapes of countries without FOP. And as schemas or maps are considered as copyrighted works of art, no one can longer enrich or correct anything. Yes, our time here is well over. But I am happy to have met many reasonable and kind people. As you. Bye ! --Julieta39 (talk) 11:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Commons Photographers User Group meeting on Saturday[edit]

Dear Commons Photographers User Group member,

I'd like to invite you to our next virtual meeting on Saturday, December 12. We'll have two presentations: Habib Mhenni aka Dyolf77 will answer the question Do "we" need DSLRs anymore? and Martin Falbisoner will walk us through the making of his featured picture File:Caribbean_Sea_-_Long_Exposure.jpg.

If you can make it, please add your name to the list of attendees to this page:

I hope to see you in three days. Also, I wish you, your family, and your friends all the best for 2021. Your contributions to Commons make a big difference.

Warmly, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sorry but I've only received one email before and that one welcomed me in Urdu. I tried to figure out "mute" to reply to yours but I don't know what it means. Krok6kola (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Krok6kola: If you want to reply on a Commons email, you can just reply the way you would to any ordinary email. It does mean I'd see your email address; if you want to reply but have an issue with my seeing your address, you can use "Email this user" on this user talk page to email me without my seeing your email address.
  • I'm a little surprised given how long you've been here & how active you are that no one had felt the need to say anything confidentially to you before, especially because (if memory serves) you've waded into a few controversies. - Jmabel ! talk 16:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, I never thought of using "Email this user". I really haven't "waded" into controversies that involved the need for posting on an editor's page or email. A person I've had an ongoing problem only communicates with me indirectly so you are the only editor here on the Commons that has emailed me. I'll reread your email and see if there is something I need to respond to by email. Thanks again, Krok6kola (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Krok6kola: I try to keep the bulk of what I say on-wiki, but sometimes it is better to say something confidentially. - Jmabel ! talk 23:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I remembered the controversies I've "waded in" that you might remember. You suggested what I might do and it eventually worked, though it resulted eventually in an Admin being desopped. Should I remind you here or by email? Or should I just let it be? Krok6kola (talk) 16:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I remember pretty well, this was around the time you changed your username. Amazed you made it through that, and got your way, without even one off-the-record remark to anyone.
Most of it happened after I changed my name. The name change was to have one less wimpy-sounding, but it was used to say BlahName, "formerly" BlahName2 (without any effect thankfully). I really wasn't of interest to anyone else. Krok6kola (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I almost always prefer on-wiki. I'd guess that 99% of what I do here (not even counting File page) is on-wiki but, for example, the suggestion to someone that they are being over-aggressive and might want to ease up a little is often better made privately. - Jmabel ! talk 16:53, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • He is at it again [7] (With edit summary: "We have a sandbox for nonsense-edits; or use the preview function if you want to test."). It is a somewhat more graceful way, I guess, except for the edit summary. I don't get the motivation, except that it one of "his" uploads. But the target (victim) reverted it. Is that an ok thing to do? Krok6kola (talk) 16:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Krok6kola: I don't see a diff here from you, so I have no idea what edit you are objecting to. All you linked was an AN/U discussion. Are you just telling me to read the discussion? - Jmabel ! talk 16:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Diff is [8] and not "to" me but to User:Oursana; my point of linking to "User problems" was to show the inappropriate behavior still happening to others who get upset and know enough to report it. Krok6kola (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Krok6kola: I have no way to know whether A.Savin's action was legit this time or not. I see from your prior link to AN/U it was the subject of an already-closed discussion where looks like Oursana made arcane use of sorting without an edit summary, and looks like Oursana made arcane use of sorting without an edit summary and A.Savin made unconstructive use of a generic template to warn/admonish. I already, in your case, advised A.Savin what I would do differently from their approach, and my advice was roundly rejected. What exactly else would you like me to do? No, I don't like their style. I think it's high-handed and drives away good contributors. I believe I've said as much. I myself use vandalism-related templates only for genuine apparent vandalism (e.g. [9] for [10], but in a case not a million miles from the Oursana one [11] for someone using a filemove where they should have just changed a sortkey), and I think that is the correct practice. - Jmabel ! talk 18:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just venting. (It is said there that such templates are appropriate only for newbies and this rollback by A.Savin[12] was not ok.)
I don't expect you to do anything. You are a good guy and when I have done something you didn't like you have come to my talk page and explained the problem you have seen in my categorization (except the first time, causing me to stay away from Washington state (mostly) and Seattle). A.Savin usually issues those warning when it involves one of his uploads, except for me whom he stalked and wanted to get blocked after he no longer was able to block me per one of those "User problems" things. (Ymblanter voted to block me.)
On another subject, for E4024 I've been working on my July 2017 edits onward until the end of December 2017 where I lost my place. Is there anyway to return to that point without clicking through "newer 1,000"? Krok6kola (talk) 20:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Krok6kola: I'm sure it can be done by "massaging" the offset in a Special:Contributions link. For example:

But I don't really know the rules for what works to get you to July. It would make a good Village Pump question, and someone should probably document it. - Jmabel ! talk 21:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your suggestion worked. Thank you!
Do you answer why questions, like why does the Commons have that big blue arrow letting me get to the top of a page quickly, but Wikipedia does not (that I can find)? Krok6kola (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Krok6kola: Not keeping some big secret here but: I have no real idea, I don't think I have that "big blue arrow." Possibly just a "skin" issue. If you are using a PC, CTRL-PgUp should do pretty much the same, except when you are in an "edit" box, where it will just take you to the top of the box. - Jmabel ! talk 14:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For me under Preference → Gadgets → ScrollUp Button does it! Krok6kola (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm glad you are still around. I feel safer, though I'm not a perfect person. Krok6kola (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Revisiting a topic[edit]

Sorry to harp on this topic, but... I discovered Hmains' use of en:wiki cats to form categories here on the Commons resulted in the inclusion of ghost towns and such in his "Mississippi populated places on the Mississippi River". From the category description on en:wiki: "Included in this category are populated places and ghost towns in Mississippi which are located directly on the Mississippi River, or were historically located directly on the Mississippi River but are now located a distance from the river due to changes in the river's course." I have changed the name to Category:Populated places on the Mississippi River in Mississippi (state), a name originally suggested by Rodhullandemu, and eliminated ghost towns and such. Hopefully, that is correct. Krok6kola (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Krok6kola: It's certainly reasonable. As I said earlier in this discussion, Commons categories are a folksonomy, and the are never going to be neatly ontologically correct. Even Wikidata, which really tries to model the logical relations so strictly that a machine can draw conclusions suffers from a lot of ontological deficits. - Jmabel ! talk 23:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 12, 2020[edit]

Nice chatting with you this AM. Thanks for all that you do. Good luck with everything! Cheers! Ktin (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Ktin: May I guess that this is the person who said they would pass me their Commons user name, which is not their name? - Jmabel ! talk 22:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • That is right. This is my Wiki username. Nice chatting with you earlier today. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


Yours sincerely, ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CommonsDelinker SVG[edit]

You said at Commons:Village pump/Archive/2020/12#Bots for switching uses of PNG to SVG? that the World War III remark was removed from CommonsDelinker's instructions. But it's still there in the warnings of User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands. pandakekok9 02:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Pandakekok9: Sorry. Feel free to correct me, I guess, if it's OK to correct an archive. - Jmabel ! talk 02:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think it wouldn't be ok to edit an archive. If there are other users who will also ask this question in the future, we can always tell them that there's no consensus yet to mass-replace bitmap images with SVG equivalents. If they cite you, then we could point them to this discussion. Cheers, pandakekok9 02:48, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I figured out the video just after. I can do it! Krok6kola (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Happy New Year! Admin, I am afraid we must take steps to discourage categorization to certain users. You know maybe one case I have in mind, but it is not only one case. If you have a look at CfD history, you will see that we have at least one other candidate. Ashes to ashes... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 18:33, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @E4024: Presumably should have been named "Merkez Kayseri", not just "Merkez", but hardly seems to be evidence that the person in question should not create categories, just that they chose a poor category name for what I presume (no way to tell now) were an appropriately grouped set of photos. - Jmabel ! talk 20:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not only the fact that there is no district called Merkez, Kayseri Merkez or Merkez Kayseri in Kayseri, but putting in there as subcats Kahramanmaraş Castle, Category:Kahramanmaraş Martyrdom, or an image of the coastal town of Kaş (Mediterranean Sea) and another image from a village in Kars, near the Armenian border... At the beginning I thought that it was a confusion between Kayseri and Kahramanmaraş, but no, anything that had the word "Merkez" somewhere around entered into that Category:Merkez, which was a subcat of Districts of Kayseri Province. I do not know if you cannot see deleted edits, but you certainly have a button or two to revive them for a minute and look inside. Regards. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did that same user place these photos in Category:Merkez? or did others? "Merkez" in Turkish just means center (I have only a tiny bit of Turkish, but the web rapidly confirms it). It's sort of as if someone who didn't know much English created a Category:Downtown or Category:Capital and then (I suspect) others then blindly used it. Seems like an honest mistake to me. - Jmabel ! talk 23:56, 6 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All the above-mentioned edits were made by the cat-opener as I can see at the page histories. E4024 (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BTW I have no doubts about the honesty of this and a few other users that have a very poor notion of classification/categorization. The bad thing is, years pass and these people continue making the same or similar mistakes. Whatever. I will work more than I already do. E4024 (talk) 00:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @E4024: Those were all done in 2017 or January 2018. That was at least two hundred thousand or more edits ago. I've learned a lot in the last four years since then and I continue to learn! Best wishes, Krok6kola (talk) 02:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Krok6kola: I hope your New Year's wish has been to go back to your old contributions and correct those which were wrong and have not been noticed until now. :) Sorry for the stalking, Admin. Best. --E4024 (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @E4024: I am doing this. As I go though, I have to fix what others have done also when it is glaringly obvious. Anything to do with Turkey (which I think is your complaint), were done from "Media needing categories" so if I was wrong then those images may not have a clue and I may not be able to fix now. (However, some of my "Turkey" categories are still being used.) I will do my best. Regards, Krok6kola (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, I think Category:Fremont, Seattle, Washington and Category:Fremont, Washington are about the same neighbourhood, could you have a look and verify please? You created the first way back in 2006, but the latter has also existed since 2009! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your suggestion[edit]

I read your response again, but I'm still not sure what your suggestion is:

  1. If your suggestion is 1.—— I tried it and it didn't work. I emailed her in last November, but she never responded to me. See: here.
  2. If your suggestion is 2.—— Ch.Andrew (administrator) indefinitely blocked my account while also blocking the normal appeal channels for me, so your suggestion is useless as well.
  3. If your suggestion is 3.—— I know what you mean, but Ch.Andrew (administrator) outright refused to talk to me. I think the reason for the block is not clear enough, and I have no evidence to prove whether he blocked my account due to Asperger's syndrome. The problem is that the reason given to me by Ch.Andrew is: there are a serious lack of understanding, cognition, and investigation abilities (在理解認知、查證能力上仍嚴重匱乏), which it means I misunderstood Reke. I do not understand why“Asperger's syndrome” is not a personal attack?--Kai3952 (talk) 14:21, 27 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Kai3952: I've given you my best advice. I do not read Chinese, so I cannot make any independent assessment of the facts.
  • Why is "Asperger's syndrome" not a personal attack? For the same reason that "American Jew" (that would be me) is typically not a personal attack, only if it is used to dismiss my views or (as you allege happened to you) as a reason to sanction me. But, yes, if this does not accurately describe you, I can see how it would feel like an attack to be put in that category. Again: plenty of our contributors have Asperger's, and for the most part they are quite unashamed to say so. You seem to have a bit of prejudice against them yourself the way you are talking about this.
  • does not ping the person I told you to address this to. But if you wrote to her and she's ignoring you, you might try the presenter of meta:Community Development/WikiLearn/Identifying and Addressing Harassment Online, or someone involved in "safe space" issues, etc. You can do a search as well as I can. But whoever you contact, be careful to distinguish "I believe this person did this because …" from "this person did this because …" - Jmabel ! talk 14:39, 27 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thank you for being helpful so much.
    • This article I wrote is is not a doctor's certificate, nor alleged that I have Asperger's syndrome or lack of understanding and cognition. That's why I want to stop Reke from attacking me. Before the doctor diagnosed me with Asperger's syndrome, I am a healthy person overall. This is not a prejudice, but because no one wants to get sick. If Reke see that I am not a cooperative person and often making trouble that bothers Taiwanese users, he should provide evidence to prove the allegation. However, blocking admin thinks I violated WP:CIR. I don't know what I did wrong or what was the problem.
    • Thank you for your advice.--Kai3952 (talk) 12:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Kai3952: You are welcome. But I still want to address one point hanging out on the edge of this discussion, which I alluded to above.
      It seems that both you and Reke see Asperger's as an illness and something that would make someone less capable of contributing here. It does seem clear to me that whether you have Asperger's or not, you have some behaviors that make other users guess that is what is going on, so you of all people would do well to lose that prejudice.
      Asperger's makes someone different than a neurotypical person, but it doesn't make them ill or less or whatever. The most obvious example of this is that on average, people with Asperger's score higher than neurotypical on most types of intelligence tests. From everything I can tell, their biggest disadvantage is that they lack certain intuitions about human interactions: there are a class of things, mostly about social appropriateness and other people's motivations, that a neurotypical person learns almost without trying, and someone with Asperger's needs to get at by intellect. They can learn all of these things, but there are things that a bright, neurotypical person understands intuitively by the time they are an adult, but for which an equally bright person with Asperger's probably needs a mentor and an openness to learn things that will seem to have no rationale at all. For a person with Asperger's, learning certain things about interacting with humans is somewhat like for a neurotypical person to learn the parallel things about interacting with another intelligent species like crows or dolphins.
      On that last: I am basing that example on experiences in my immediate circle of friends. My friend D--- is a classic example of Asperger's. Dan-level go (weichi) player, pretty much can't hold a "straight" job but has often made absolutely brilliant investment choices with the rather small amount of money he gets from (I assume) a disability payment when he was younger and Social Security now that he is at retirement age. Until he was in his forties, D--- literally never learned how to dress like a "normal" person. Something was always off -- glasses held together with masking tape, bad combination of colors, garment that had gone visibly threadbare -- which meant that at every interaction with a new person (police officer, woman in a coffeehouse, newly met go player) they had to get past a first impression that he was weird before having any chance to discover that he is brilliant and interesting. Somewhere in his forties, a (married) woman go player friend of his -- call her N--- -- got to be his friend and started coaching him, and he started to accept it. No, there is no deep reason people don't fix eyeglasses with masking tape, but if you'll look around you'll see that people don't and they think you are weird if you do this. No, there is no deep reason that when men wear a shirt and slacks that are different colors, the slacks should be darker than the shirt. Etc. And over time he just started trusting that N--- understood these things, and he didn't, but he could follow the rules, and he could have everyone's first impression of him be that he looked normal (except that his hair is still usually a little messy because he rides a bicycle for transportation so he takes a helmet on and off several times a day, but this is pretty much the same for any cyclist with medium-length hair unless the first thing they do on arrival somewhere is to groom carefully).
      And, similarly, my presumably neurotypical if slightly quirky friend M--- decided he wanted to interact seriously with crows, certainly the smartest non-human species most of us see on a daily basis. As far as I can tell, humans have almost no intuitions about crow behavior except that if you don't want them angry at you, don't hurt or scare them. Michael read everything he could find on the topic and started doing his best to work with it. I won't go into what he did -- I don't even know most of it -- but within six months he had definitely made himself part of the local crows' system of barter/gifts. He left them things they liked to eat; the brought him all sorts of small objects they found (ribbons, shiny stones, weathered glass, even the occasional coin which I presume a crow would not know was any more valuable to a human than these other things). He's an artist, so at times what they brought him was of interest to him in its own right. He got to where he could recognize individual crows, and realized that two or three of the crows that came by were the same ones every day, but other crows would drop by just once or twice. (There's more, but this is not mainly a story about M--- and crows; "punchline"/upshot is that he had to move, but when he goes back to where he lived then, the crows still clearly know him as an individual, even though presumably none of the individual crows he knew there are still alive.)
      In short, in order to interact smoothly with humans, D--- had to do exactly what M--- had to do in order to interact smoothly with crows, but he could do it.
      I have a neighbor who has Asperger's and is a top-flight software engineer at Google, fluent in at least three languages, but who, admittedly, has never been able to learn when it is and isn't appropriate to say, "thank you"; I know a woman who has Asperger's who tells me that it is still almost "work" for her to attend a party, but has learned to charm strangers at a party to a point where if she weren't well-intentioned she could be dangerous.
      The English-language Wikipedia has a template en:Template:User Asperger to let people with Asperger's self-identify so that others can be aware of this in interacting with them. I see to my surprise that only four other Wikipedias have an analogous template, and that Commons does not (I'll fix that last when I'm done writing here). Literally hundreds of editors have that template or the redirect template en:Template:User aspie on their user page. While I'll make a guess that there aren't many administrators among them -- being an admin requires more social intuition than anything else here -- I would guess that they are as likely to be good contributors as anyone else.
      Upshot: whether you are in this group yourself or not, please drop your prejudice against them. And if there really is major prejudice against them on the Chinese-language Wikipedia, that probably ought to be addressed. If you are blocked there, then you are not the one to do it, and I don't know Chinese. This last might be a matter to take to the WMF, but since I don't read the language, I have only your word for this, and I don't think that is enough for me to approach someone there. - Jmabel ! talk 13:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Eastern thinking is different from Western thinking. We think most people that get sick will need help with doctor. Therefore, it is not a good thing for those people who have health problems. For example, I was labeled by Reke as a patient with Asperger's syndrome. He has a serious misunderstanding of Asperger's syndrome and holds a stereotype Because he mistakenly thought that my misunderstanding or twisting of others which is one of the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome. No matter how I explain to Reke, he'll never listen. I can understand his purpose for for helping to Wikipedia Commons and reach the goal he has for each of us, but he should not quarrel with me about my health problems (Asperger's syndrome or lack of understanding and cognition). I did not admit that I was sick, I can also try to change the behavior that he is concerned about (my behavior that was deemed inappropriate on Wikimedia Commons). The problem is that he never provided any evidences to prove that his allegation was true. If I don't know anything how can I promise Ch.Andrew (administrator) anything?--Kai3952 (talk) 15:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kai3952: I simply do not see what I can possibly do further for you. I think we are finished here. This will be my last response on this thread. If you feel you need to say more, feel free, but please do not expect me to respond. - Jmabel ! talk 15:42, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding current situation[edit]

I have not knowingly had any contact with User:Steinsplitter whatsoever. I've never heard the name before. Other than the block notice, he has never posted on my talk page. Krok6kola (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Krok6kola: I hate to say it, but that probably means it was handled right: someone uninvolved made the block. - Jmabel ! talk 17:14, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But how did those two edits he listed as evidence of repeated COM:OVERCAT violations come to his attention? He doesn't categorize, looking at his contributions, but is mostly involved with technical problems, deletion of images, etc. And how did he know about this since he did not participate in it, and chose a comment by Ymblanter that I should be topic banned as support for the block, even though there was no consensus for me even to be warned. A.Savin was the only "Support" there. I wrote a response to Ymblanter there that was not commented upon. That whole thing seems to have fizzled out with no action taken. Why did he choose to block me? There are no such requests in his talk page history. Email? It is not like a number of people have complaints about me. How do these things happen? I'm curious about this in general. On Wikipedia this sort of thing can be easily figured out. Krok6kola (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In any event, after Steinsplitter saw the discussion on AN/U, it looks like he withdrew the block, so you're OK. I think you should ask for some sort of mediation between you and A.Savin. - Jmabel ! talk 18:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe he would leap out of my computer and kill me if I did that. Haven't you noticed, he has not compromised or backed down on anything even once, no matter how clearly wrong headed. In fact, I'm afraid to remove my unblock request because this is clearly not over yet. Steinsplitter referenced An/#Krok6kola as one of the reasons for blocking me, and said "I removed the block for now ..." and when removing it "see AN/U, no consensus so far" No, this is not over. And now I have a block log with two items on it so it. So I am much more vulnerable, and that will be used against me. Krok6kola (talk) 20:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Krok6kola: Please be a little more relaxed about this. There will be as much record that the block was rapidly rescinded as that it occurred. You do probably have some issues around overcatting would do well to seek someone to mentor you a little on this; I'd offer but it is perfectly illustrative of my life at the moment that I have 78 unread incoming emails. - Jmabel ! talk 20:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You are very kind to respond to me at all, as I know you are very busy and have better things to do than help me.

Today I asked a question about a specific overcatting issue at the Village Pump but only once have I gotten an answer there. I see people getting two week blocks for sockpuppeting, repeatedly uploading copyrighted images etc. so I get a one week block without any warning for overcatting without any evidence? I don't think overcatting is my problem; rather the opposite. In going through my old edits, almost always others have added more cats to the ones I create. The only time I add more than one cat is when I'm combining NRHP images of the same place and I use the cats already there.

My eyes are now open to how stressful the Commons is. For four years I had no one threatening me, stalking me, no bad experiences. I hope I accept that it's bad for my health here and leave before I get blocked, now that I'm in their cross-hairs. Steinsplitter is a sign of that; I'm probably his only block in years and he didn't even have a reason. (I've never gotten a warning for overcatting.) Or let me know that there was a discussion going on about me. Krok6kola (talk) 00:10, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Overcatting usually means adding two (or more) categories one of which logically implies the other(s). It isn't a matter of how many categories.
I wouldn't be concerned about a rapidly reverted block. This has been known to happen to admins. Yes, it's annoying. No, it's not necessarily that big a deal.
Have you considered taking on just adding relatively basic categories to images that simply lack useful categories? It is generally relatively uncontroversial to add pretty much any relevant existing category to images under Category:Media needing categories. Just don't take offense if someone else recategorizes some of them. - Jmabel ! talk
I did that for a long time and still have done it relatively recently, slimming down whole dates with large uncategorized populations. But I also need to be interested in what I am doing. Maybe you can answer my question at the Village Pump.Question about when COM:OVERCAT might be justified Krok6kola (talk) 03:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Unfortunately i had to block your account fore one week for repeated COM:OVERCAT violations, e.g. here and here"[13] This is the agenda. Krok6kola (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your most memorable shot 2020[edit]

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

Over the course of the past two years, we've been sharing pictures that have a special meaning with each other at the start of the new year. Today, I'm inviting you add your most memorable shot of 2020 to this page:

I hope you, your familiy, and your friends are well during these difficult times. I wish you all the best for 2021 and I can't wait to see what your most memorable shot of 2020 looks like.

Warmly, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 20:44, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We have some disagreements, but sth like this is indeed worrisome to hear... Hope you have recovered completely, stay safe. --A.Savin 18:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@A.Savin: Thank you. Excellent recovery, decided it was time to retire from hands-on software development, plunging seriously into being a musician. - Jmabel ! talk 19:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please participate in the Universal Code of Conduct consultation on Wikimedia Commons![edit]

Dear Jmabel

Thank you for your hard work to create the sum of all knowledge that is freely sharable to every single human being across the world. As our diverse community grows, we need a guideline that will help all of our work collectively and constructively where everyone feels safe, welcomed, and part of a team. That is why the Wikimedia movement is working on establishing a global guideline called the Universal Code of Conduct, often referred to as UCoC.

After the months-long policy consultation, we have prepared a policy (available in many languages) that has been ratified by the Board of Trustees. We’re currently in the second phase of the process. During this round of consultation, we want to discuss the implementation of this policy. As a member of the functionary team of Wikimedia Commons, your opinion on enforcement is of great value. We want to hear from you on how this policy can be enforced on the Wikimedia Commons community and what might be needed to do so. There are a few enforcement questions so you can easily outline your answers based on them. Please do not hesitate to bring any more questions/challenges you think are not yet discussed.

The discussion is taking place on Commons:Universal Code of Conduct consultation. You can also share your thoughts by replying to this message (Please ping me so I get notified), posting your message on my talk page. I am aware that some thoughts cannot be expressed publicly, so you can always share your opinion by emailing me as well.

As a valued member of the Commons community, please share your thoughts, ideas, and experiences that relate to UCoC. Let us know what needs to be improved so we can build a more friendly and cooperative space to increase editor engagement and retention of new users.

Wikimedia projects are governed by you. So, it is you who needs to step up to ensure a safe, comfortable, and pleasant working environment.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you! Wikitanvir (WMF) (talk) 10:18, 5 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Password issue[edit]

Hi. I'm sorry to read about your trouble on the help desk. Have you tried logging in on another wiki where 2FA is not required?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @Jeff G.: I don't think I have 2FA, unless the second factor is something that's been taking care of itself so long after doing something once that I don't even recall it. - 13:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Which wiki wouldn't need 2FA? (And, rhetorically: what good is 2FA on one wiki with a shared login if it is not on the others??) - 13:41, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    When I have had unexplained login issues on WMF wikis, clearing my cookies has helped.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Jeff G.: I believe my cookies were all cleared in the same disaster that wiped my passwords, but I can look into it. Still, I really think this is going to need something more like what they do when they let someone "usurp" an account. - 15:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Your best bet is m:Stewards#Communication. A post on your website or an email message from you would not hurt.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 15:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @Jeff G.: unfortunately, putting new content on my website is currently up against an analogous problem, but I know how to get that one sorted out soon. Email is probably a good idea. - 23:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Jmabel, I think that it would be helpful to checkout Help:Reset password first, i.e. try Special:PasswordReset. This should work as you continue to receive emails sent to this account and if you do not have 2FA enabled. Things get more challenging if 2FA is enabled and if you do no longer have the shared secret nor the scratch codes. The next option would be to contact Trust and Safety via to disable 2FA, see here. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 21:20, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Special:PasswordReset is exactly what I tried that didn't work: it issued a temporary password, but that password didn't get me in. They won't do this twice in 24 hours, so I can't usefully event try again yet. I really do believe I'll need to somehow prove my identity and "usurp" my own account. Not sure why the usual approach is failing. - 22:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Joe, did you have a try logging in using a different PC/notebook? Good luck! Achim (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Achim55: I do not own "a different PC/notebook" nor do I own smartphone, but I have no idea how you think using a different machine would find a lost password, or allow me to use a temporary password that is getting rejected. - 23:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Under normal circumstances a temp pw is not rejected. Maybe there is something on your PC that is fiddling with the data. Achim (talk) 08:38, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Achim55: Obviously. The temporary password would not be worth much if it didn't usually work. It is not working for me. If (as perhaps you are hinting) this should be used as a case study and I shouldn't rapidly change anything on my machine, I'm open to that, including having a trusted person have remote access in order to understand the problem before it is fixed and can no longer be observed. However, in my experience the WMF developers are not exactly speed demons. And, frankly, I find the whole Phabricator process about as much fun as a root canal, and a lot slower. I'd guess it would probably be weeks, at best, until I had access to my account again. If someone really wants to analyze this Gordian knot, I'm OK with that, but I'd rather that Alexander the Sysop use the sword.
@Achim55: I'm giving 24 hours for you to respond, in case that was meant as a hint in that direction, so I don't accidentally walk through the middle of a crime scene bug under investigation. After 24 hours (or sooner if you say, "never mind") I am going with AFBorchert's suggestion. I had already tried Jeff G.'s, but it turns out that the stewards cannot help. I used m:Special:Contact/Stewards, so I'm afraid there is no on-wiki diff to prove that I contacted them.
@Achim55: Seriously, though: along with Jeff G., I'm the mainstay of the Help Desk. I've already given simple help there to two people from my IP address, and I don't want to set up a non-admin account for doing further work there. I am more interested in getting my account back than in discovering why the temporary password failed. - 13:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Jmabel, if a password reset does not work for whatever reason, you need to contact The sysops of the WMF are the only ones who can help you if the regular process does not work but if you are able to proof that you are the owner of this account. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 09:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Joe, sorry, I hadn't a case study in mind. I just tried to imagine what I did if was the "technical victim". As I said, logging in temporarily using another PC, changing the pw there, cleaning up the cookies of the 1st PC using ccleaner and then logging in from there. Best, Achim (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Achim55: They've got hold of me, we'll be fixing this. 16:50, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Congrats, and welcome back!   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 07:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Jmabel ! talk 07:12, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please take a short survey regarding UCoC[edit]

Hello Jmabel,

I would like to inform you that we now have a survey in place to take part in the UCoC consultation. It is not a long one and should take less than 10 minutes to complete. You can take the survey even if you have already participated in the on-wiki consultation. It has a different set of questions and allows you to participate anonymously and privately.

As a member of the Commons functionaries, your opinion is especially essential. Please click here to participate in the survey.

You are still welcome to participate in the on-wiki discussions. If you prefer you can have your say by sending me an email. You can also drop me an email if you want to have a one-to-one chat.

Thank you for your participation! Wikitanvir (WMF) 13:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next Commons Photographers meeting featuring large format photographer Ben Horne[edit]

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I'm happy to invite you to our next virtual meeting on Saturday, March 20, at the usual time. As I mentioned during our last get-together, I'd like to invite external guests every now and then, given that it seems good to expand our view and learn something from someone outside our community.

Our first external guest, Ben Horne, will talk about large format wilderness photography, followed by a question-and-answer session. Ben is maybe one of best known contemporary large format photographers in the United States. On his excursions to national parks, he shoots 8×10 film and talks about his adventures on his YouTube channel which has attracted more than 48,000 followers so far. He is YouTube's first, and longest active landscape photography vlogger and I'm thrilled that he has agreed to join our next meeting and talk about his experiences.

If you're interested in joining this meeting, please sign up on the page below:

Also, don't forget to post your question(s) prior to the meeting on the following page in order to ensure a good and fruitful question-and-answer session:

I'm very much looking forward to this event and I hope you'll be able to join.

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Category discussion warning

The Seattle Times has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

2001:4898:80E8:9:1DF:40B2:D7CE:B406 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


As you had responded on this user numerous times. We had discussed COM:OVERCAT, and I don't see anymore any chance to explain them why it's inappropriate to over-cat deliberately. Now they continue as nothing were happen (of course). If I would now open an COM:ANU "Krok6kola", obviously, I only had to expect hate speech, nothing constructive. Given that we on Commons have no Arbcom and other mediation, what would you advice? --A.Savin 20:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging also 4nn1l2 who was willing to mentoring them. --A.Savin 20:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • @A.Savin: I would give you the same advice as before: you are much too emotionally engaged in the matter, that Krok6kola has sometimes been correct and because you went in with guns blazing you failed to notice that, that if you need to continue to interact with them you should probably not act as an admin in that situation. I certainly have users where I would consider myself too involved to act in an administrative capacity when they are involved; not naming them here because they are the last people I'd want to invite to my talk page. If you have an issue with Krok6kola's conduct that calls for administrative action then COM:AN or COM:ANU is exactly where you should take it (and if it doesn't call for admin action and is simply a disagreement about categorization, then COM:VP). You should state the disagreement as neutrally as possible, make your case, and then (say this overtly as your intent) stay out of it unless you are specifically pinged to respond. Let someone else hash it out and make the decision as to what should happen. If someone is insulting you -- well, it's your call how to handle that. One way I've often handled it is to say that if they think my conduct is egregious, please bring a proper complaint against me at AN/U. If someone has made a blatantly false accusation, I first ask them to withdraw it, and if they won't do that I bring it to AN/U myself. But I don't try to act as an admin in cases where I am involved in a dispute with someone who appears to be a reasonably serious contributor in their own right. - Jmabel ! talk 21:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I already mentioned that ANU is not a constructive place to try to resolve issues, so thanks for the extremely "useful" advice. --A.Savin 21:51, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • You asked for my advice, not to repeat to you what you wanted to hear. I gave you my best advice. If you don't want that, don't ask me. - Jmabel ! talk 21:53, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @A.Savin: It seems that you are still following me around. Krok6kola (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Krok6kola: As you are following him, apparently. Could you both stop poking each other? - Jmabel ! talk 00:01, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • I have your page on my watch list. I don't follow him around. I did notice though that A.Savin redirected my new category Category:Ussangoda National Park to Category:Ussangoda and moved its contents there, disregarding enwiki Ussangoda National Park. I just let it go, but maybe I should take it to the Village Pump. Would you advise that? Krok6kola (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • No, I would advise both of you to disengage as much as possible. Not every little less-than-perfect thing the other does has to become a big controversy. - Jmabel ! talk 00:28, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • Regarding the Category:Ussangoda National Park, the fact is, that you had created this category as a duplicate of long-existing Category:Ussangoda (admins still can see Special:Undelete/Category:Ussangoda National Park). I already begged you not to create duplicate categories. If you have a problem with a category's name, you should move the category via the move button, not create a duplicate. A fair assessment I of course cannot expect from you Krok6kola... --A.Savin 00:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          • Neither of you is going to leave it alone, are you? A.Savin: did Krok6kola revert you on this? If not, why argue? It's sitting the way you want it. - Jmabel ! talk 00:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
            • What exactly do I want, in your opinion? --A.Savin 02:25, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
              • A.Savin I presume that last was addressed to me, and refers back to my remark way above, where I used the phrase "what you wanted to hear." I thought that was perfectly clear but in case it wasn't: I presume you wanted me to accept your view that ANU is not the correct place to do this. I disagreed with that. Is that not what you disliked about the advice I gave you? It's precisely what you stated, and then you used what I presume to be scare quotes around "useful," presumably meaning that you thought my advice was useless. Is that not what you meant? Was my meaning actually unclear? I'm beginning to feel like despite your request for advice, you mostly came over here to pick a fight, and if so, I don't appreciate it, especially in the guise of asking for advice. - Jmabel ! talk 02:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
              • Ah, I see I used "wanted" again. It would have been a lot easier of you used a diff, or spelled it out more. Maybe you were referring to "the way you want it". You wanted Krok's new category redirected, right? And you redirected that, and other than some grumbling, they left that alone, right? - Jmabel ! talk 02:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thank you for correcting this one - i fact i didn't check the version history, nor did i verify if the title is correct. I've requested to rename the file to prevent further misinterpretation. --Fl.schmitt (talk) 08:35, 7 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]